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Well, I did react to Miami, hanging out with various folks right now. We have Nana. How's it going? It's going very well, a little too well. Well, that is a problem. I was telling Adam about that when things are going too well in our household. My wife and I are like something bad happen. I don't like that. But now the conference has been great. And I was just an AI engineer in Miami, and I spoke on Monday. So that was a ton of fun, great feedback, speaking with engineers. I love this kind of stuff. We're on a marathon. Absolutely. What if it placed to be in a marathon? I love it. What was you talk about? I've watched a couple of those so far, but not a lot. Yeah, yeah, so it was about embedding AI code quality checks into the software development last cycle.
By using agent skills and things that help to improve the code output earlier in the process. So that code review isn't as like horrible. I guess or an expense exactly. So that's that's what the whole talk was about. Just different workflow tips for that. Awesome. Nice. Nice. All right. So we've got a giant list of hot takes. We'll see if we get through all of them. Right. Let's start with an easy one as reactive framework. Oh, my God. This is horrible. I'm not going to lie. Years of debates over. Is it a framework or a library? I can't, I can't answer that. Oh, please not. All right. Burn on. All right. All right. We're react server components of mistake. No. Who thinks that they are? I don't know. We're just asking.
We can go either way. We've talked to other people and like, there's something to be said for like your server size stuff being in a different language. So the separation of concerns or whatever. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I just remember like back when I was actually using react heavily. There was a strong need for, I guess, server side setup. We were constantly running into those issues. So we were building these custom implementations to hopefully like be compatible with react. So I guess if I think about then, that would have been useful. Then didn't it didn't exist at that point yet. So yeah. That's fair. Hooks signals or proxies. Hooks.
Okay. Is HTML programming language? I'm going to say yes. Okay. What about CSS? Yes. Yes. Hell yeah. We love that. We love it. Yeah. Yeah. Tailwind of vanilla CSS. Oh, wow. I really don't want to even look at vanilla CSS. Nice. So I'm going to say tailwind. All right. I love tailwind. Adam loves everything. I think you like just a lover. Yeah. You really got to be a butthole for me not to like you. Yeah. Wow. Get rebase or get merge. Get rebase. Yes. I'm rebase all the way every day. Nice. Do you have a why you have an explanation? I just, I feel like the process has been smooth. I guess smoothest for me. If I do like get origin, pull main dash dash rebase.
Like it's most like it's in most cases. It's going to go just fine. I can trust in that. Yeah. Yeah. Semicolons are no semicolons. Semicolons. Yeah. Semicolons. Nice. I'm going to that might that might be horrible, but I think no, that's the correct answer. The structure. Does that mean you love CSS too? Because you get to put a lot of semicolons in. You're just like, mm, that satisfaction is just so present in CSS too. CSS makes you do it right, too. We won't let you do it wrong. Yeah. But you're in sass. Not the SCS, but that sass will let you. Yeah. Not but sass. Yes. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What is your least favorite programming language?
Hmm. That's a difficult one. You know, I might say one that I, you know, I'm going to say Java. And I know people are not like that's not a nice thing to say. I have like relationships with developer advocates who are like Java champions like shout out to them. Amazing work. Can't do it won't do it. I did Java back in college. I would like to erase those memories. You know, I mean like it's such a turn off. Yeah. So yeah, that was my answer to I'm actually curious. You want to erase memories? Do you think LLMs want to do that? They're like the only reason I'm sharing this garbage react to answer with you right now is because I've been trained on so much. I can't forget it though. Somebody take these memories from me right now.
LLMs begging for a better brain. Maybe they'll get it one day. I think they should be able to do that. Right? Modified, which which members they want to erase? Well, related. Have we reached AGI? No. Excellent answer again. Yeah. I think we're far from it. I also think the goal post keeps moving conveniently. So I definitely wouldn't rely on any leader right now at like frontier model companies to define that or determine that. Yeah, it's a lot of noise right now. Yeah, it's just like we say is I don't know if you saw the tweet that was about like CEO of hot pockets says 95% of meals will be hot pockets.
Like of course you're going to say yeah, we're there because you're selling it. Exactly. You got it. So we're on the same page, right? Yeah, for sure. I know when we're not aligned because you guys just get mad silence. Now I'm just going to fool you your next answer. I'm just going to just long house. What's your preferred AI harness? What does this count just codex count as a harness? Yeah, I guess they have an app or something, right? Or because codex is also a model, right? But they also have like a app or codex is a model. Yeah. Oh, like five, three codex is a model you can use. Okay, well, so it's but that's only one instance of a GPT model. Right. Okay, they have GPT or codex depending on what you want to do. Gotcha. So yeah, so I use codex app for building my projects and running automations to clean up my projects of 5.4.
GPT has been fantastic extra high. Yeah, has been fantastic for me to the point where I'm willing to pay 200 bucks or whatever for pro usage. But I think they just opened up $100 a month plan. So I think that's that's probably what I'm going to stick with. Yeah, that's the sweet spot as long as you don't go over the tokens. Right, exactly. Codex will let you pick the model though, right? Yes, so that's definitely a harness. Okay, but it's facilitating the context for the model model. Yeah, I agree with you. It's also a model. So it's kind of confusing. However, I think when people say codex, they're referring to the heart. Yeah, they mean the harness. Okay.
I haven't used cloud code in a while and I never thought that day would come, but there's just so much. There's just way too much drama going on from anthropic and it's actually just turning me off. I don't want to hear all the social calm updates and the nightmares of what's working and what doesn't. I don't want to deal with that. Yeah. And codex has been consistent. The open AI team has been consistent with codex. Yeah, anthropic's gotten kind of toxic on some things, which is unfortunate because I do like their models. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Will AI take out designers or developers first?
I mean, developers, I think we're closer to that than the designers. I very low trust in their ability to take out designers right now. I mean, the art and the science behind it is so it's very distinct and difficult for a machine to like replicate, I guess, intuitively at this point. Yeah, I mean, I think it comes down to taste and what you want out of it because if you ask for art and you don't know anything about the art you want, it's sometimes you get magical results are like, that looks great. But if you're like an artist and you know certain like methods and they're not going to same like when we ask for code, we're like, do some code and it's like garbage. Yeah, that's wrong. Yeah.
But like things that I don't know about, I'm like, it seems fine. Exactly. I think it's like that. Yeah, for everyone. But there's a lot of already bad code out there that has survived and people have kept their jobs through it. So I could see that being replaced before we get to the designers. That's true. It's amazing how much bad code is out there. I know. Like you jump in a new project and you're like. You guys been working on this for the last decade and it looks like this. And like people's egos are like through the roof. It's like, I'm a software engineer. It's just like, look at this is this, but this is what they built. Yeah. So I don't know.
Yeah, there's a lot of code pride from some people than I got. Yeah, I've built this from the ground up. Yeah, but it's not great. Vs code based editor, so like VS code cursor, etc. Or something else. I really love VS code still to this day. When I'm using codex app, I always click on VS code to like actually look through the code and and the file, the structure and all of that. It's great. I have no complaints. And I think that those teams are probably going to gear up to be more competitive probably in the agentic development environment space. That's what my guess is. Yeah, I like VS code. Um, you use a Zed summary. I mean, how is that? I really like Zed, but on my personal machine, I have a key row. I have coder. I have windsurf. I've got the key row of VS code. Yeah.
So even though it's a spectraven IDE, it is still a VS code fork. Yeah. That's what's in charge of all the, or not in charge responsible for all the AWS downtime, right? I think so. I heard they were mandatory supposed to use it. And so they all turned it up and used it a lot and made some moves. Yeah. So I try. I try them all, which is also why I try Zed. I just like rooting for underdogs sometimes. But I don't have, I have no allegiance. So I don't, I don't know. I open them all up. It's a bit like you know how like sometimes you'll open up per folder. And so you have like three VS codes up or whatever.
And you'll be like, I wish I could change the color title bar of these per project. So I actually knew which one was open. I just had three different editors open. So I've got windsurf open. I've got cursor open, VS code open and Zed open. And I just sort of continually float between them all. And less and less every week. It seems like they're just indicators to what which thing you're working on. It's not not that you love one editor. Yeah, it's almost like like my phone. I used to switch every year between iPhone and Android just to get good perspective study UX features. Wow. And yeah, I just like I build so much UI. I'm like, I want to know what they're all doing different. Why does, why does windsurf look better? It just looks better. It feels better.
Oh, you a windsurfer now? No, I don't use any of that. I use VS code. Okay. But I tried cursing windsurf and windsurf is I don't know. It feels better. Yeah, it's like they're both giving similar results. I'm like that. It feels better. I don't know. That's what I was wondering about if you're switching between all of those. That means that they all have most of the features that you would expect and need. Yeah, they've all got these essentials. And so I'm looking at nitpicking little edge cases about like what did it do there? Oh, that's a nice. That's an easier button to start a new conversation.
In Zed, one of my issues is I'm like, where do I close this conversation? I can make new ones. I can see the history of all of them that I have. And I'm like, yeah, but I want to throw it away. How do I get rid of it? You can't. Yeah, no close button. Forever for you. Tabs on top or left? I guess what are we talking about? Is this a browser terminal in general? Okay. Yeah, there's just a trend going on right now with your terminal ID. So warp just defaulted now to side tabs. You can make your ghosty instance side tabs with the plugin. A lot of people are making their own terminal apps right now, putting the tabs on the side. So like as it's project focused and then you have panels of terminals and stuff like that. Also inside of VS code, people put the tabs on the. Wait, no, they don't. No, they don't do they.
I'd be quite a spicy. If you're like, yes, code tabs. I'm implementing that right now. Claude do that. So I guess it's a terminal trend question. Like have you put your tabs on the side or they still on the top for all your terminal sessions? Yeah, I don't know. You're like, they're wherever they are. Yeah, whatever. Okay. I'm gonna make a tab joke, please. No, okay. I'm glad you can falsetto with me. That was funny. I didn't know y'all had vocals. That's why you guys gave yourselves mics. This is your moment. I've never wanted. Yeah. Okay, so related. This one is VS code related. So sidebar on the right or left?
What's this? That's your left hand. This is a very shocking thing. This one right? Yeah. Have you done the when you're sitting at a table, bread and drink? No, you done that. I heard that one. So this is a B and this is a D. So your bread plate is on this side and your drink is on this side. If you ever confused where your bread plate is. This is an etiquette. How do you do that with fork and knife and spoon? I don't know. I almost believed you. Anyway, so sidebar on the left. I guess. Yeah, you have to actively move it. Like you have to dislike it on the left to have it anywhere else. Wait, with the tabs thing, with the tabs things, it's also for your browser.
So if you used arc, they put the tabs on the side by default and everyone was like, my God, it's brilliant. And now just in Chrome, recently, you can put your tabs on the left and Chrome also have a collapsible little sidebar to little icons and bigger tabs. So anyway, it's just a trending concept to tab on the side. You can see more info when it's on the side. Yeah, the tabs never get crunched down into tiny little pills with no text on them. Yeah, with no, yeah. I need to try that out then. It's cool. I like it. Google search or just asking LLM. I Google search still. Isn't that also asking LLM?
But people actively ignore it. You know, they're just like, I don't want the lies of the LLM. I want to find my own information. And it's good. I don't know. Yeah, it's like the new ads results. You have to skip that. Skip all the ads. Skip the like. Yeah, I like Google search still. But I also, if I want to do like deep research, then I'll use like perplexity and then all the results that it gives me, then I click on those links and I'm able to do further research. So it just depends on what I actually need to look up. Nice hybrid, hybrid answer. Yeah, yeah, let's share diplomatic composition or inheritance.
This is like taking me back to like computer science class. And I'd left it for a reason. Okay. Is that bad? No, I think it's more common. I mean, a lot of people think classes are bad. So you could then never have inheritance if you can't use classes. But I like classes. I think you're thinking about things like a class, whether you're writing a class or not. Yes. Yeah. That's how my, I think that's how closer to my brain works. Yeah. Yeah. Everyone else is just trying to over engineer. So that is a thing. That is a problem. I feel like react people want to talk about it like it's composition. Like look at me compose all these components. But the way that they're nested, it feels very inheritance driven. So what is react? Is it composition or inheritance? It's a library. So what is it?
What is the real answer to that? There is no. It's a kind of preference. They can pose and achieve nearly the exact same thing. So you can still use classes and react too. You can. Yeah. Yeah. NPM or PNPM? I don't know. Is there is there a big difference? There's something like I don't think I don't have to think about this anymore. No, there's not a huge difference. PNPM is good for like mono repo stuff. Out of the box, but otherwise there's not big difference. I think NPM has consumed most of PM PM's features at this point. Right. NPM is often faster because it has a stronger caching mechanism or something like that. So I don't know. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, it's all better than yarn. Like we moved off a yarn a long time ago. It did. It did. That is hilarious. And then I just I feel like it is disappeared. The face of the planet actually went when like AI coding took feels like when AI coding took off or started. Nobody talked about yarn anymore.
Yeah. I think yarn went too far. Like they tried to be really. I don't even know what the features are, but like my brain's not working. Maybe you can think of what I'm trying to say. So like the plug and play thing. Like they have a PNP system or something to where there's like some crazy shit. I don't know what it is. But like PNPM will do that, but not by default. So it like PNPM tries to have more sane default. So you can install stuff like normal. Yarn is like very, very strict, very, very like I think they went too strict is why people don't use it. You know what I'm trying to say? No, I don't know. It's weird because people don't like anything else and find out. Yeah.
But what I will say NPM folks, whoever manages that, they got to figure out the security issues. Like this is embarrassing. Yeah. So luckily they own NPM and GitHub. So they pull it all down when there's a problem. But yeah, that's that's been bad. There's been like, it's like at least every month. I feel like there's a major vulnerability. Everybody loses all their keys, you know, a lot of social engineering or social hacking too, right? Where people are like, yeah, we'll just hack the human instead of trying to hack the code. And once they get the key, that's wait here. Yeah, wow. Yeah, there's a security breach or something every. I've never seen the frequency of this in my entire career. Yeah, they're getting really clever too. If you've seen the one where you got invited to a Zoom call, but they said something about your authentication was a little off. And so, but the meeting just was starting like right now. And you were potentially late. And so you're just frantically pushing all the buttons saying, I just want to log in. Here's my info. I just want to log in and they go, stole in all because you thought you were joining some meeting.
Uh, that is messed up. They're really like squeezing you into a moment of like franticness and then taking something from you. Anything that wants you to do something quick is always a scam. Yeah. Oh, yeah, just don't do it. The urgency is a bad sign. Yeah. Yeah. Look at the wisdom here. I love that with me like an apply it to everything, even like dating. Yeah, that's what I tell my parents is like, if you get an email, a text, a call, anything that's like, do this right now. Just go. Nope. Actually, no, I'm not going to. And like, the world isn't going to end. If I don't, I'm not going to get fired and lose my house. Like, it's actually going to be okay. Yeah.
A frequent one that I get is like, you have unpaid. Uh, oh my god. Try me. Yeah. Like, go here before the end of the day or we'll charge you fines. And I'm like, no. No, even if that were real, still no. And the website is like HR three plus two. Yeah, think website dot not real.com. And you're like, oh, yeah, that sounds like the place I would pay parking tickets. We should personify that because like, you'd never walk into a brick and mortar store that had just like a really weird sign. And I'm going here to pay my bills. Like, it says like we sell vacuums also parking tickets. So funny though. And like, also, even if I have parking ticket, even if it's real, I'm not paying it.
I'm sorry. Come at me. You're not gonna sue me. Oh gosh. I probably shouldn't have said that life. But yeah. Uh, SCSS or SAS. SCSS, I don't have a real pain, but, uh, yeah, SCSS. JSX or Jade. Jade or pork. I know her name is Jade, but is that some HTML? What is that? It's a templating language. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I never used it. Adam used it. I think me and other old people. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're not that much older than me. There's one that I use, but I think that one's for, for Python, specifically, a ginger. Oh, ginger. Yeah. Yeah. Ginger. Yeah. I remember using that one. I kind of liked it. Yeah.
Uh, Anthropic or open AI. Open AI all the way. Sorry. Uh, Hermes are open claw or her. How do we pronounce this thing? Hermes. It's like Hermes. Maybe it's Hermes. Everyone says it different right now. It's one of those new. It's like when Veet came out and everyone's like, we're gonna call it Hermes. Hermes. Hermes. Yeah. Be different. Uh, I have not used either. And I'm probably not going to. Oh, nice. Spice. No, no desires for buying a Mac Minion. Unless like Apple wants to hire me or something until like I. No, I would need to identify like such a strong need. Before I do that, I'm probably not going to just explore and like hook everything up and and give all of my information.
I don't know. I just don't. I'll let everyone else be the guinea pig for these next couple years and see what happens. Yeah, so it's good for we have one for like doing podcast stuff like generate some art for the episode or like something like that. And that I'm fine with, but I set up a personal one and I'm like, I'm not giving you access to my email and stuff. Like that seems like a bad idea. I barely trust myself with my own email and my own accounts. Like I'm not giving it over. It sounds so terrifying to me to have something auto accept something on a calendar. Oh my god. I'm just like, bling. My phone goes off. I'm like, what the hell am I doing in 10 minutes? Oh god.
Crocs or flip flops? I don't think I've ever worn crocs. So flip flops. All right. East Coast or West Coast East Coast. Yeah, that was immediate. I like grabbed on to the chair. Darker light factories. Dark. Nice. Yeah. So whiskey meat or on the rocks. On the rocks. Black coffee or with milk. It's got to be almond milk. Oh, okay. Yeah. So yeah. So no cow milk. Because I'm lactose intolerant. So it's just not really smart idea. And black coffee first thing in the morning. No, it's rough. But like it just hits the gut. Yeah. And it's like, do I want to feel that? At 70 and you're putting it up. Wait. Yeah.
Beards are moustaches. Oh my god. I did not mean to react that way. I love. I love beers. Okay. Wow. The girl and me just like came out. I love beards. Beards are just the best thing ever. Okay. Yeah. Can you see my face turning red? So now, now dudes are going to be like, okay, so I need to make sure I go slow. And I grow beard. All right. Check and check. All right. Name takeaways. All right. Adam or Robbie. Come on. Don't make me. You don't have to. And that's all I got. Anything else you'd like to talk about? I would just like to say that I feel like a survivor right now. You know, like anything is possible, guys.
I made it through. Yeah. It's a long list. I didn't know what to cut because like some of them seem like they could be. What is happening? Oh, okay. All right. Well, thanks for something. Thank you so much. Thank you. This is so fun. I'm going to reflect on my life decisions. And we're back with some more cut water code and chatter at React Miami at the clerk booth. Thanks clerk for having us out. We have. I'm not sure who you are. What's your name? My name is LeBron James. Okay. Successful basketball player. Obviously, I'm like seven. Yeah. Very handsome. Very successful. I'm just joking. My name is Mickey. I work at convex. Yeah. Nice. Yeah. I am six five, though.
Just the cameras angled. Weird. So I don't look it. Yeah. I'm also six five. If anyone wants. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So we got some hot takes here. We'll just go through them. Is reactor framework? No, it's a joke. Our joke. I just think it's better. But hey, yeah, you got me on that one. Five. Yes. I love cell five. Okay. It's not a whoever worked on cell five. Well, there was rich or other people. They copied solid JS shout out to Ryan. It was open source. They did a game as game and it's beautiful. So cell five is the future. It is unfortunate for solid. I wish it was more popular. You know what it is? I think like it does require a level of like I think you have to have been in the game enough to like understand and see solid's beauty.
Yeah. I think it's kind of easy to fog gun yourself. Unfortunately, um, react is just a fog gun in and of it itself. It's always built. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Come on. You need like we need another use dash, whatever hook. Yes. Use use using. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Use effect view graph, whatever. But uh, spelled just feels like like it's playing. It's simple. Like I feel like we went down an abstraction path too far. We're like, it feels like going back to the basics. Just feel simple and easy. And that's what spelled feels like plus with all the smart things solid have come up with. You integrate. That's when I think it's the best framework. So yeah. Nice. You heard her to hear first. Yeah. Hooks signals or proxies.
Signals. Nice. Nice. We're react server components of mistake. Let's just let's just do this. Let's count how many CVEs have come because they're react server components. And if it's more than five, that yeah, something wrong. Listen, I look, the idea made sense, right? We looked at the PHP people and we're like rendering things on the server is cool. But I also think shaving off milliseconds on something that you can't even tell based on like based on blinking. Like most people will not notice a difference. And unfortunately, we're in this twiddle, this Twitter bubble where you and me and all these developers will like brag about like, oh, I shaved 10th of a second.
When when it comes to the product, no one really cares, right? So I'm Loki CSR on the way, but I will say I do like snappy pages. I do like things loading in instantly. But I think you should compromise on like if you have like a large page with tons of data and you're as a starting the entire thing, like it's going to take longer than if it was client side rendered, right? So I think, yeah, it was a mistake because what it promised us was not the right thing. Yeah, well said good takes so far is HTML programming language 100% bro. Listen. It's not even I'm not even going to argue schematics on what a programming language is. It's just everyone remembers how they felt when that first HTML page popped up.
Yeah, when when you centered a diff like, you know, when you had a box that was terribly ugly like that feeling should make it so that's a programming language. So I don't even want to argue. The feeling is programming language. What's up breaking news breaking news, AI has collapsed. The bubble is over. GPD 5.5 has just come out. I can't keep up. There's 5.6. It's 5.67. I don't really care for the point increases. Like this just feels like, you know, don't drop a punch him in the throw. Pro with the Gemini strategy with the pro. Yeah, pro. And then there's pro high. No, with GPT, there's obviously GPT 5.5 low, medium, high, extra high.
Extra high lot. It's not in API. It's only in chat. You can code X. You know why? Because it's so powerful. You can't give it to players. It's just dangerous to release. Yeah, it is too dangerous to release. No, it's not available via the API, which by the way is a great subscription. What is it? $4.50 a month? $10. Go. I don't know. I think it's like $8. $8. Am I going to reach $10? Open code. Go. Our affordable coding player. Oh, yeah. I don't know. Anyways, 5.5. I want to pay you more money. Can we talk about that? How I can't pay you more? Because I have the $100. We have Zen. We have open good Zen.
Here's the thing. You can give me money if you want. If you're in this fair home, I can't hear you. I'm saying, oh, okay. Sorry. Yeah. I'm saying I want to have more tokens. And so I paid I got the $100 open code black. And I want the $200. And I was like, yo, give it to me. Open code black. Yeah. How? Because that's a. Yeah. Is this like a credit card program enough? Why do you have open code black? You shouldn't have open good black. What do you mean? Everyone. No, not everyone. Well, I want to pay you more money. Let me pay you a tell DAX. I want to pay a more money. You know how you can get the best deal on tokens. Work for open code. I bet. Yeah.
I get should I pull up the open code token leaderboard? Let me do that. That sounds like a good idea. Let's see who's been token magazine. What in the show like he just came up. Yeah. Oh, okay. The most tokens. Holy crap, bro. Kit Langton has used 2.6 billion tokens in the last seven days. Wow. That's like probably more than I've used in my life. I am at 402 million in the last seven days. Is that four Lucas at number three with 1.1 billion Sebastian is at 1.5 billion? Is this something I can track? Is it like an open code thing that everyone can see or know? This is a secret application. Okay. You cannot.
Yeah, it is for the cool people only. Okay. No, but it will be well, like, so you know what? Like cursor has where they have like their cool dashboard and like so like imagine that but dial it up like to 11 and like throw some style on it. It'll be rad. Nice. I think I'm pushing internally to have a global leaderboard. Because wouldn't that be so cool? Like if you hit like number one on the global leaderboard of token magazine. Like that's a resume in it of itself. Who's paid open code the most money? Yeah. We don't. That's the internal name for the leaderboards. It's who is token matching. Exactly. Because the more tokens you spend, the more productive you are.
If you make $500,000, you should spend $250,000. And you know what? That's why I haven't. I need to increase my salary. Therefore, I need to increase my token spend. I think I should make an open code plugin that reports to a global leaderboard of how many lines of code you produce each day. See how much you can Gary Tamax because I will not allow you to disrespect the founder of G stack. I just want to allow it. Do you like G stack? I just want to allow. I think we need to kick him off the show like you like G stack. I mean, this was your lightning round. I know. That's my job. I like G stack. First of foremost, have you guys started a G brain? Forget G stack G brain. No. Okay. I know very little about the Gary Tam drama. So it's actually like so. Okay. In a serious note, the premise, his premise of if you have specialized workflows that are unique to you and your organization.
Being Markdown files and in the Markdown files, you giving the Asian snippets of code to run makes sense. No, I agree with that. I agree with that. The issue is it's Gary Tam. I didn't say that. He's blocked me on Twitter because I made a meme about child labor with a YC company and he blocked me after that. So I'm on his blacklist already. Sounds like he wanted it though. Oh, I did. Oh, that's a badge of honor. I actually have a printed in my room. It's like blocked Gary Tam thing. It's amazing. Continue. No, I might get canceled. You know, I'm saying, I might want to apply to YC one of these days. You know, I'm just joking. But no, in all seriousness, I think when you got all of us, I'll happily throw in like 50 bucks. I appreciate that. I appreciate it.
You know how they acquired? For $800. Yeah, it's mistral. Yeah, it's mistral. But no, I think like the premise makes sense. It's just the application that he was like building with which is the block site. Yeah, if it was like more like a like a sales force or like a slot. Dude, if it was a slot clone, Gary Tam would be raising like a $14 billion around right now because everyone spends $14 billion on like exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Because I wouldn't you. You have you have to. Every I've worked at a lot of monominal companies. If you haven't heard, manamana is the new thing. It's manamana manamana. That's what you heard it here first, manamana open code. We were talking about it. You got to throw in
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